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M40A1 recoiless rifle question
metalhead85
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 - 11:04 AM UTC
Does anyone know if there are decals for the M40A1 106mm recoilless rifle ammo? Doing a British 3 Para Jeep at Suez and was wondering...thanks in advance for any help
BootsDMS
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 - 12:47 PM UTC
Richard,

This sounds very interesting; I've just obtained an Accurate Armour Champ with a view to installing an M40 on it (to depict as one from 16 Para Bde).

I was unaware that the Jeep was still in use - and so configured - for Suez.

'Looking forward as to how this progresses.

Sorry I can't help re the decals; but are you after decals for the ammo containers or the rounds themselves?

Brian
metalhead85
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 - 01:59 PM UTC
Hi Brian,
Thanks for your response. I remember seeing the Austin Champ on AA's website a long time ago and always wanted one, but just never purchased it ! Its a cool little vehicle...from my research of 3 Para at Suez, there are a number of photos and film showing the old US jeeps being used with the recoilless rifles mounted on them but I also saw some pics of the Austin Champ used there as well.(The French used them too with a slightly different set-up, I believe they had windshields with a cut-out for the barrel of the Rifle, and some other small differences... I plan on doing one of those as well someday. I think ADV/Azimut have conversion sets for them). I am planning a diorama with an Egyptian SU-100 captured by the Paras, the SU-100 was finished last year, now I'm trying to do the jeep and figs and also figure out the layout of the whole thing. But yes I was trying to find decals for the individual rounds themselves itself and the containers rather than trying to paint them on myself !
BootsDMS
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Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2019 - 04:49 AM UTC
Richard,

Fascinating; I've used a Jeep (in British service) in a Charioteer dio I made some time ago; set in 1955, working to the premise that even though the Champ was in service older units - such as I was portraying - would soldier on with the Jeep but I was unaware of the Paras using them at Suez.

For information, just in case you're thinking of one, Accurate Armour claim their Champ stock is getting low, with the clear threat that once gone there will be no more!

I bought 2 recently one of which will be fitted with an M40. I must admit I only got the idea when trawling through a 1:24 manufacturer's site and it looked easily enough to accomplish. See

https://www.kitformservices.com/standard/106RR1.JPG

The M40 itself will be the AFV Club one obviously. This 1:24 site (Kit Form Services) is actually quite useful when working on a 1:35 project as one can discern/identify details that might otherwise not have been noticed. There is also a Para Champ at the time of Suez I think within their site which is why I thought all their light vehicles must be Champs.

My project will be some way off I think, although I did panic buy the Champs. I can't see it being too difficult.

None of this helps identify the ammo markings though. I haven't researched much about this just yet but there must have been some stencilling on the warheads which would be noticeable in 1:35. Infuriatingly, the KFS 1:24 version has no markings whatsoever, just very bright colours.

A workaround might be to use what I call a generic type marking, as, after all, any stencilling on a 1:35 round is going to be pretty small. I note that in some of the various Tamiya accessory sets they have yellow markings for ammunition boxes, so if there's any yellow stencilling on a 106mm round then perhaps these would do? I know it's a bit of a cop-out but it might work, as I for once can't discern what they actually say with the naked eye. If black markings are needed I have an ancient set of Verlinden black US stencils, some of which are so small they could read anything. I imagine firms like Archer produce similar or perhaps the Verlinden sets are still out there somewhere!

Just a thought, but in the (likely) absence of anything else it might be some sort of solution.

Brian


metalhead85
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Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2019 - 10:08 AM UTC
Brian,
I've looked at as many photos as I could find on line and there aren't that many of the campaign it seems. I also have the Osprey book which has the same photos that I saw online. Apparently, not many photos of 3 Para were taken during the operation. I'm not even sure if the anti-tank jeeps destroyed any of the Egyptian SU-100s that were encountered, most were taken out by airstrikes and artillery. The osprey book goes on to say that the bunkers encountered by 3 Para were destroyed by anti-tank weapons without being specific...were they still using the PIAT??. They were definitely there though.There is an interesting picture of an Austin Champ in the background of some Paras waiting to go home after the UN took over, it's in dessert yellow but doesn't appear to have the recoilless rifle mounted.
I've tried all the usual manufacturers for the decals and I don't think anyone makes them, I may have to improvise as you suggested! But with my luck, someone at one of the model shows I go to here in the NY area will notice and say something !